sometimes you must read the whole thing before you can contribute to its conversation.
Lucy.
I think my favourite rebuttal to the "watchmaker argument"; ie: a complicated thing requires a creator, isn't pointing out that the argument is fallacious but pointing out that creation is also complicated so creators must be more complicated than their creations, ie: god must also be a creation.
I like it purely for the eldritch horror that theists refuse to understand - that god must have a creator, and that creator must also have a creator, unless you allow it to be circular, and that humans created god, who created humans, who created god.
because this is the only logical answer.
"where did the universe come from?"
we arose spontaneously from random chance, and then created a god who created the universe that would spontaneously arise us from random chance.
you've got a chance to make a decent god this time around, fuckheads, so maybe you should work on that.
