So "we can always tell" and no consideration of the experience of someone challenged over this when they are "following the rules" and using services according to AGAB.
And obviously the rules haven't previously required trans people to use services that don't match their appearance, that's new
Stephenson: Its a problem there is no official certificate of sex. 'Most people follow the rules' so therefore it shouldn't be a problem.
Jardine: Pushes back about proof.
Stephenson says: Once they open their mouth people will 'know' if they're right sex
