I highly recommend listening to this entire discussion. @peterpomerantsev.bsky.social defines the term "collective narcissism," something both the US and Russia are currently experiencing, and how it leads to the justification of violence. He also talks about ways to counter propaganda.
Lessa
“I don’t like terms like ‘brainwashing’ because that sort of envisages a passive recipient of propaganda, and it’s not like that. It’s a two-way street. Effective propaganda gives people a script they want to play.”
We discussed with @peterpomeranzev the mechanisms of propaganda.